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  Could we use the new shunning guidelines to our advantage?

  by Island Man in

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  according to new, officially published guidelines, jws can now shun a person who has not been disfellowshipped from the congregation.

  i see this guideline being abused by many jws who have an axe to grind with a fellow jw.

  for example, let's say sister peinindiass rubs sister sensitive the wrong way.

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  Is there a link to the new guidelines?

  I was referring to what was / is being said at the 2016 convention.
  
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  Could we use the new shunning guidelines to our advantage?

  by Island Man in

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  2. beliefs

  according to new, officially published guidelines, jws can now shun a person who has not been disfellowshipped from the congregation.

  i see this guideline being abused by many jws who have an axe to grind with a fellow jw.

  for example, let's say sister peinindiass rubs sister sensitive the wrong way.

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  According to new, officially published guidelines, JWs can now shun a person who has not been disfellowshipped from the congregation.

  I see this guideline being abused by many JWs who have an axe to grind with a fellow JW. For example, let's say sister Peinindiass rubs sister Sensitive the wrong way. Sister Sensitive decides she will shun sister Peinindiass. The elders ask her why she is behaving in such an unchristian way toward sister Peinindiass. Sister Sensitive responds by citing the guidelines to shun anyone who, although not disfellowshipped, has been practicing serious sin. The elders inquire if she knows that sister Peinindiass has been practicing serious sin. She says yes. She concocts a story of catching sister Peinindiass committing fornication with a worldly person that she (sister Sensitive) does not know. She says she told sister Peinindiass to go to the elders and sister Peinindiass told her she would do no such thing and that she (sister Sensitive) should shut her mouth and mind her own business. She further says that sister Peinindiass told her that even if she reported her to the elders she would vehemently deny it and it would go nowhere given that she does not have a second witness or evidence.

  Can the elders tell her to stop shunning a JW whom she knows (from their perspective) is practicing serious sin but which cannot be proved in a judicial committee to result in disfellowshipping? Can they stop her from doing it while the org teaches to shun JWs practicing serious sin although not disfellowshipped? And what would other JWs think of sister Peinindiass when they see sister Sensitive shunning her. Surely they'll think that sister Sensitive must know that sister Peinindiass has committed a serious sin and so sister Peinindiass will surely become the object of gossip.
  

  But more importantly, what if sister Sensitive is an awake JW, and sister Peinindiass is a nasty elderette who you'd like to get back at? Or what if instead of sister Peinindiass, it's elder Peinindiass who's harassing you to be out more or attend more regularly or giving you shit about your decision to go to university?

  All you now have to do is shun them under the new guidelines and when asked why you're shunning them you can just say you know certain things that you cannot prove to the satisfaction of a JC and you don't want to be accused of, or sued for slander, so you're just loyally following the guidelines to shun serious sinners even though they've not be disfellowshipped.
  
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  Challenge to Creationists

  by cofty in

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  in response to the 37 threads in my evolution is a fact series - see bottom of op for links - perry posted a link to an article "44 reasons why evolution isn't true".. i offered him a challenge on the thread and by pm.

  predictably he is totally ignoring it, so i am offering the challenge to any evolution-denier who thinks they have evidence to support their position.. please present one specific piece of evidence for creationism.. my task will be to refute it with evidence within 24 hours.. then i will present one piece of evidence for evolution and your challenge will be the same.. all posts must be as succinct as reasonably possible.

  entirely in your own words, without copy-paste, videos or links.. please post your interest to take part and we will set it up before the first actual post in the exchange.

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  As of right now I have to agree with Vidgun, there is no evidence that we can replicate life or create it from scratch to then one must entertain the idea that life was deposited here on earth from somewhere and it then evolved.

  Caveman living 10,000 years ago arguing with another cave man: As of right now I have to agree with Lionheart, there is no evidence that we can replicate flight or create a functioning pair of wings from scratch so then one must entertain the idea that flight is not a natural process but pure magic.
  
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  The last video in the 2016 convention...

  by problemaddict 2 in

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  ...is an epic triumph is emotional manipulation.

  bringing together all of the stories they told thus far and placing them int he "new world" complete with the little boy who was killed in a car accident coming back from the dead.. i have a good friend who is stuck in with family and plays the role.

  he said everyone was crying, and the people next to him rated the videos by how many tissues they needed to dry their eyes.

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  I don't find it all that emotional. But I'm curious as to what the vocalists are singing in the musical score.
  
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  Lett facial ticks from a stroke/aneurysm?

  by azor in

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  i was speaking to my mom the other day.

  she stays in the group to retain a relationship with the rest of our in family.

  she told me that she heard from one of my brothers that the reason lett makes all those weird facial gestures has something to do with a stroke or aneurysm when he was a younger man.

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  JWs will say just about anything - however silly or untrue - to defend their manipulative organization and its questionable leaders.
  
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  Demon possesion, bunch of crap or?

  by raven in

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  2. experiences

  i've been using the forum to vent and post a lot more frequently lately as a venting purpose & way to obtain peace of mind with the craziness i've been going through recently as i fade away form the org.

  anyways today i'm sitting here at work and thinking to myself about demons... ok i know this sounds crazy but has anyone else out there been traumatized by the thought of demons?

  i had a dream the other night, just flat out spooky and i woke and couldn't help but feeling it may have been evil ole' satan and his demons at it again.. i don't want to believe that, (trying not to, & just brushing it under the rug so to speak) but have any of you out there been talked up about demons?

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  zeb: I have had demonic experiences.

  I believe you have had experiences that you erroneously interpreted as demonic.
  
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  New DNA Study Confirms Noah

  by notsurewheretogo in

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  http://www.icr.org/article/9325/.

  amazing read...go on , have a laugh if you want to.. new dna study confirms noah.

  by brian thomas, m.s.

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  Island Man

  The difference between science and religion is that science is always curious, always seeking answers, always following the evidence regardless of where it leads. Religion, on the other hand, is closed-minded, certain in its claims, seeking preservation of its claims, always denying and refusing evidence that contradict its claims.

  Science is the pursuit of truth. Religion is the preservation of superstitious traditions at all costs. Science embraces scrutiny - thrives on scrutiny. Religion dreads scrutiny because it cannot stand up to scrutiny because it is not about the pursuit of truth.

  Science starts with a question, develops a hypothesis then experiments to prove and disprove the hypothesis to determine if it has merit. Religion starts with an answer, then cherry-picks information and twist it to support its answer, while ignoring, discrediting and even forbidding the consideration of facts that contradict its answer.

  
  Religion is foolish, backward, self-perpetuating delusion. Science is the actual pursuit of actual truth.
  
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  JW Video Armageddon to occur before 2040

  by Listener in

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  sorry i thought it was a new morning worship video but it is 6 months old and has already been discussed on here..  it is presented by gb helper k flodin and about this generation.

  the delusion and hypocrisy runs deep.. he reminds the cult members not to speculate because they aren't supposed to know the day or the hour.

  then he proceeds to speculate that armageddon will occur before 2040.. https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodprogramsevents/pub-jwbmw_201511_3_video.

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  Notice too that Flodin is being used as the fall-guy. If this idea takes root and similar hype and disillusionment results as with 1975, then the GB can always deny having ever taught such a date and say a rogue individual - Flodin - taught this, because the date was never suggested by an actual GB member.
  
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  May 21, 2016 TO ALL CONGREGATIONS Re: Annual Items for 2017

  by wifibandit in

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  may 21, 2016 to all congregations re: annual items for 2017.

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  I can hear some uber-paranoid doomsday dubs now:

  "What, no calendar for 2017! That can only mean . . . [gasp] . . . the end is . . . is . . . a blink of an eye away! They system will not last till 2017!!!"
  
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

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  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  "Why is there something rather than nothing?"

  Maybe it is physically impossible for nothing to exist - for there to ever be absolutely nothing. Maybe existence is the fundamental pillar of reality itself.